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Post by farbeyondthesun on Aug 30, 2005 15:43:24 GMT -5
I've defended Yngwie for years from the people who claim "hes too repetetive" and " he overuses the harmonic minor scale". but I just picked up unleash the fury and am dissapointed in it. I just kept thinking haven't I heard this before? it does have its good points as all of yjms albums do, but it left alot to be desired imo. and his rythm tone was very muddy to me. not what im used to from the greatest metal guitarist of all time. how do you like it?
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Post by Arsonsquad on Aug 30, 2005 16:19:05 GMT -5
I've defended Yngwie for years from the people who claim "hes too repetetive" and " he overuses the harmonic minor scale". but I just picked up unleash the fury and am dissapointed in it. I just kept thinking haven't I heard this before? it does have its good points as all of yjms albums do, but it left alot to be desired imo. and his rythm tone was very muddy to me. not what im used to from the greatest metal guitarist of all time. how do you like it? I have a couple of answers to this question. The first is that he invented the style so like he says (and I'm paraphrasing this because I don't have the article anymore) "Angus Young has been playing the same licks for 30 years and no one accuses him of always sounding the same." But that, to me, is taking the easy way out for someone who has the talent and genius that Yngwie has. There was a poll a few years back on his website in which Yngwie asked what type of music his fans wanted him to do on his next album: Rock, blues, classical etc. I think that just asking this question shows that he may feel somewhat the same way, even though he might not admit it. Personally, when I heard the classical concerto he wrote I was floored that he could write something for a full orchestra and make it sound so beautiful. After a few more listens I came to the conclusion that it was too solo heavy and hoped that his next classical piece was less so. I also played it for a friend of mine in her 60's who sings in choirs and plays piano. She thought it was very well done but said some things sounded like they came right off a Bach album. I didn't take that as too much of a knock figuring that, if it was true, he would develop his own style over time anyway. But alas, he has said he is not going to pursue this area of his music until he gets older. I guess he is too much of a showman and needs the thrill of being onstage playing rock & Roll in front of a screaming audience. He has made comments recently that he works on being a better songwriter and lyric writer. I think his songwriting has gotten better but I still definitely don't listen to him for his lyrics. At any rate, I really like this new album, but thought that it would have been better if he was more selective and only put on maybe 10-12 songs or so. There were a few that sounded like rehashed versions of other songs.
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Post by alex on Aug 31, 2005 7:25:12 GMT -5
Yeah i agree... i have always defended it being his style and accused people who say he is repetative, that its v. recognisable cos its style and they are mistaken..
However, i really do like the latest album, Cherokee Warrior, Winds of Way, Paraphrase, Fuguetta, Unleash the Fury, and Locked and Loaded, are all very good, fantastic even..
I like the other ones but they just get into the very crowded section of regular, but still good..
And only very recently, i have fealt your POV, in his latest interview he plays for the interviewer and improvises, and i listened to the recordings, and after that i just got it..
I was suprisingly frustrated, because it was exactly what i had heard 200 times before..
I really f**king love his style, but its coming to the point where i feel like "If i wanted to listen to that lick / solo then i would play (looks at selection of other songs it is on)" He says he has found the style he wants to play in, and he is happy, and thats respectable, i wish he will take the style he has, and adapt it, it will be the same thing, but varied, instead of the very typical scale runs that are very often identical, as Concerto Suite can show us..
Very Pleased with his new album, not dissapointed, but i think i hope, that this is the last album he releases with the typical things all over the place
NO, i didnt say stop playing his favourite licks, i just dont want them in every single track, i wouldnt mind a "daring new" aspect either, something that sounds good after time, something like throwing a bag of chromatic notes at his guitar.
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If you have read all of my post, thank you! lol.
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Post by queenofshred on Aug 31, 2005 10:24:42 GMT -5
Yes I read all of your post. I can see what you are saying, but I will never get tired of hearing the same Yngwie licks. After all, I have been looking for this music for most of my life and wondering why no-one played guitar like this lol. I actually find it amusing when he repeats himself, and I find myself singing the melody from another song over the one I'm listening to. Beethoven repeats himself many a time (thinking of the number of times I've heard the opening figure of his 5th symphony in his other compositions eg. his Appassionata) and Smetana is also guilty of putting that "I'm going home" figure in almost all his violin music. All of us have some lick that we use over and over, just because we like the sound of it -- there's nothing wrong with that.
As for lyrics, I do pay a lot of attention to those, maybe even more so in Yngwie's songs than anyone elses! Because they're not generic -- they're written from the heart and from his own experience. The language is one that speaks to me, one I understand. It is to the point -- no arty shit about nymphs and green noses (I won't even try to explain where that came from)! Each song is different. Even if you've heard that sequence before, the lyrics are not the same. When listening to other songs, I'm sure you notice the lyrics and maybe even think that makes the song. But with Yngwie, I've noticed people take a different approach. Maybe they are so captivated by his guitar playing that they never even notice the words being sung!
As for there being nothing "new" in his songs, I would have to disagree. If you listen to all the albums in order, you will notice a progression -- a change in style from one album to the next. And anyone can see that Yngwie does not play or write the same as he did say 15 years ago. I have no doubt that I will like all his future albums and that each one will have something new to offer.
For me, my favourite song from UTF is Revelation (Drinking with the Devil). This would also be a prime example of something new. Find me something on any of his past releases that sounds like this song -- I think you will find this an impossible task. It's so well written and the slow steady tempo is just the thing to throw in the face of anyone who says that Malmsteen and slow cannot be mentioned in the same sentence. Again, the lyrics are from his own experience, in this case with alcohol. I think the best lines are
It's hard to tell you "no" "My friend let's have another..." "NO!"
So much truth in that -- it just sums up the whole song.
"NO, i didnt say stop playing his favourite licks, i just dont want them in every single track, i wouldnt mind a "daring new" aspect either, something that sounds good after time, something like throwing a bag of chromatic notes at his guitar."
lmao Don't you see, this would just spoil everything. If I wanted to listen to something chromatic, I'd listen to someone else. I like Yngwie for exactly the music he plays, which is the music he likes. If he went and did something like this, he wouldn't like it, I wouldn't like it and probably not many people would.
I apologise for my badly structured rant here. I know what i want to say, it would just take more words than I can be bothered to write. What it boils down to is I don't think there's anything wrong with the way that some things Yngwie plays can sound the same. I've searched for that sound for so many years that it was like a dream come true to finally discover Yngwie and nothing more can be achieved if he went and changed that -- it would just really upset me and I'm sure that no-one here wants that to happen.
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Post by Playloud33 on Aug 31, 2005 11:59:22 GMT -5
If it aint broke dont fix it
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Post by queenofshred on Aug 31, 2005 12:01:01 GMT -5
Exactly! One of my favourite quotes from the Maestro.
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Post by Playloud33 on Aug 31, 2005 12:17:24 GMT -5
Think of how many bands have made some cracking albums and then changed their style only to crash and burn!!! Hands up - who used to love Metallica? now hands up - who now hates Metallica? Exactly!!
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Post by queenofshred on Aug 31, 2005 12:41:28 GMT -5
lol And another funny thing is when all these rockers get old and then decide they're only going to play acoustic. And they all say "acoustic is so much more expressive" LMAO! What's going on in their heads? I'd really like to know! Who wants to hear some lame rehashed acoustic covers of their old songs anyway?
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Post by alex on Aug 31, 2005 14:18:14 GMT -5
queenofshred...
you have 100% totally got my point wrong, i thoroughly agree and believe (most of) what you said in your point, and it seemed your post was counter-acting mine, but i didnt mean it like that..
its amazing the style he has got, thats why im an absolute huge fan and im always daydreaming about when i went to see him and the sound he plays...
But when you said you like hearing the licks over and over again... cant you see the mind of the composer, the mind of Yngwie we all admire, is limited when he refuses to anything new..
This is what i had trouble explaining before, varying his style, but not changing it at all, taking all the core principles he uses and fiddling with it to create something new, while 100% in the same style..
Even as much for those 20 19 17 16 (etc descending across all string licks) if he started on a different note of a scale, or started on the G string, and play it up to the E and then down to the D, then back up to the B, then down to the A... re-arranging the very re-used licks he has.
You say you found the music you want to listen to, but i liked his songs where there was a big difference between them.. ie Fury and Fire and Ice, I am a viking, Rising Force, As above so below..
They are pure Yngwie, and its all his style, but as time came on, he appears to have taken about 30% of the ideas he had and soley recycle them in his playing (of recent)..
You say you like his licks and like hearing them, as i do, and i have the tracks with them all on, but caqrrying on for years releasing the same things will get dull and old..
this isnt totally my opinion, im thinking as a quasi-fan right now... cos i dont like being biased when judging a situation like this (and please i hope you can do the same when you think about this)
I couldnt see myself one year, buying an album with the same licks, and the year after, being in a queue to buy the next album, which contains the same licks, and the year after... and i just run through that thought but adding 5 more years in that cycle.. and then no one without a brain can deny that there isnt much point in buying the next album...
Personally its a tone thing more with me now, i like his licks, i would want them to change a bit, but more than anything, that tone he has now, has got very old for me, like in Concerto Suite as i keep mentioning..
The tone in Demon Driver / Devil In Disguise / Trilogy suite was great, then he moved to the current tone and i loved Blue / Blitzkrieg etc ..
And now a change is overdue i think.. im perfectly happy with him and his music now,
all of what i have said is looking towards the future and how i think i will feel in 2/3 years.
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Post by resurrection on Aug 31, 2005 15:11:40 GMT -5
I understand Alex very much. Yngwies past albums always sounded differently. From Alchemy til Attack, he sounded much alike. But UTF sounds different, thats why i love the thing so much. Locked and loaded sounds "Attack", but not Russian Roulette, Guardian Angel or Cherokee Warrior.
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Post by punchingboy on Aug 31, 2005 15:21:39 GMT -5
I think Yngwie hasn't done anything new or very interesting for years. I love his playing and his style, but his songs and solos are all pretty much interchangeable. I have his new record and have only listened to it a few times. Aside from Cherokee Warrior, there is nothing that I haven't heard before. Yeah there are slight differences, but that's it. Just slight differences. He needs a fire lit up under his ass to take some time and come back to the level he once was. He came out and blew the world away then kept making the same record over and over. He sounds amazing but once you've heard one Yngwie song you've heard 'em all. That's just my opinion, don't jump all over me. Obviously I am a fan if I am here, but I wish he would try harder. I did enjoy his concert a lot. I had wanted to see him since I was 15, so it was a thrill to see him.
-Rick
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Post by AJLeadGuitar on Aug 31, 2005 16:15:42 GMT -5
I've defended Yngwie for years from the people who claim "hes too repetetive" and " he overuses the harmonic minor scale". but I just picked up unleash the fury and am dissapointed in it. I just kept thinking haven't I heard this before? it does have its good points as all of yjms albums do, but it left alot to be desired imo. and his rythm tone was very muddy to me. not what im used to from the greatest metal guitarist of all time. how do you like it? About his tone I have no anwser to it but I agree. His playing and song writing hasn't changed (Maybe his soloing just a tad) but it just doesn't seem the same and as "fresh" as his older stuff because his old songs are like his new songs. He hasn't changed his style.
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Post by alex on Aug 31, 2005 18:16:15 GMT -5
Am in full support of the past 3 comments.
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Post by queenofshred on Aug 31, 2005 19:00:25 GMT -5
Hmm...maybe it's because, apart from the one time I heard Yngwie when I was 5, I've only known his music for less than a year. So I haven't had time to get bored with it and want something different. Then again, I usually lose interest in something within a couple of months, and the fact that I am still listening to Yngwie just shows how great his music really is.
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Post by alex on Aug 31, 2005 22:31:35 GMT -5
I have an mp3 player that can hold about 20 songs..
i take it when i go out places, never has it had less than 15 yngwie songs on it, and i listen to it a lot..
you sort of have my point wrong still, its not about his songs getting boring, the stuff in the past will always be fantastic, FBTS will never get old or dull...
That shows to me that its not his songs and what he does that will or can ever get boring, wont happen..
Its at this point, looking back, and then analyzing the present, and at this point i am on the verge of being bored with any future songs that are recycled old ones
His music wont get old, his tone will do shortly for me, and this is focusing on the future again, gimmie Blue / Blitzkrieg for the rest of my life, and i will be happy, and thats in the tone / style that is getting to me, but i wouldnt be with new songs coming out, as like i said, recycled old songs.
This i dont think i explained well at all.. so summary...
Yngwie's music from the past i will never get sick off At this moment in time i think im at my limit of his current tone. I wouldnt want to listen to new songs with exactly the same stuff, however i would want to listen to songs in the same style, that are out now, in the past. But looking for the future i want a different tone, and a bit more self-exploration of himself as a musician.
He seems to think he has himself all worked out, and i dont believe that, and i believe if he looked and reflected on this issue, there will be "new trademark yngwie" - which would be very welcome to me.
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