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Post by queenofshred on Oct 15, 2005 9:14:47 GMT -5
Just received this CD from pavelyjm in Russia.
SPASEEBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Itzhak Perlman playing Paganini's 24 Caprices. This just makes my playing sound so shite in comparison -- it's a real kick up the ass to get practising. So now that's what I'm gonna do -- learn all 24 caprices and not stop til it sounds as good as this recording.
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Post by Arsonsquad on Oct 15, 2005 9:24:52 GMT -5
Just received this CD from pavelyjm in Russia. SPASEEBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Itzhak Perlman playing Paganini's 24 Caprices. This just makes my playing sound so shite in comparison -- it's a real kick up the ass to get practising. So now that's what I'm gonna do -- learn all 24 caprices and not stop til it sounds as good as this recording. I learned a few of them but could never do them up to speed. Well most of the 24th I can do very close. The problem I always had was I can't memorize them totally but they're way to fast to play while reading, so I could never get it up to speed because of that. I always knew that if I new my fretboard and understood that theory I would be able to do it but I haven't got that point yet. I have Perlmans version of this and used to have Midori's but lost it. I would like to go back and hear Midori's version again. I love Perlmans, but sometimes it gets a little screechy for my tastes. Technically incredible though. Makes me wonder if Paganini was so good that he made the whole thing sound like it was in the normal register of the violin. Queen, Alex, what do you think?
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Post by queenofshred on Oct 15, 2005 9:48:37 GMT -5
WTF is the "normal" register of the violin?!?! I thought that it was all in the "normal" register (methinks this is your viola player's ear telling you it's too high lol). I'm getting a new and better violin that has an increased range (call this cheating if you like, but it's gonna be so great to play this Sabre).
I learned the 5th Caprice from Yngwie's lesson and I can almost play it up to speed. I have memorised it, coz
1. I can't read music that fast 2. I can't read music written that small 3. My music reading abilities really suck for a classically trained violinist! And I realise this when I play in an orchestra and the first play through I'm thinking wtf how is everyone following this, and the 2nd play through I've got it coz I know what it sounds like now.
It's the finger memory that you've got to get. When I can remember how something sounds from beginning to end, then I can play it up to a certain speed, having to sometimes work out where the next note will be before I play it. But to get it faster than that requires the finger memory. That's where you can just switch off your brain, or think about something else, and your fingers know exactly where they need to go without you even having to apply any thought to what you're playing at all. And finger memory only comes from playing the same thing over and over, so that it becomes a reflex.
What I liked about Perlman's playing is that you can hear every note very clearly -- there's not so much scraping that it obscures the actual pitch of the notes (like some recordings I've heard).
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Post by Arsonsquad on Oct 17, 2005 12:12:03 GMT -5
"WTF is the "normal" register of the violin?!?! I thought that it was all in the "normal" register (methinks this is your viola player's ear telling you it's too high lol). "
Well, by normal register I guess I meant anything not above 400th postion, but I think you have a point about my viola ears. It's probably that combined with the fact that I was in a heavy metal band for about 8 years and never wore earplugs ;D. We actually got kicked out of one of our practice space (the one were Joe Stump used to practice at) because there was this guy in the room next to us who recorded childerens music and he complained about us practicing too loud!!! We thought that was the stupidest thing we ever heard and played louder after that (if that was even possible LOL). We were kicked out a few weeks later. I think the owner must have wanted us out anyway, he probably didn't like my singer or something like that.
"My music reading abilities really suck for a classically trained violinist! "
Mine's worse. I was actually a pretty good sight-reader in orchestra (although almost everything on viola was in first, maybe second, position) but once I discovered tablature I didn't look back. I could play guitar way faster than I could read (plus I read alto clef mostly anyway) and did not want to slow myself down to the speed I could read at. I was 17 at the time and felt I was already behind the 8 ball on guitar and took that very big shortcut in reading. Looking back, I wish I had spent more time on it, because just reading tab you lose so much in learning the theory behind what you're playing. Oh well, C'est La Vie! Reading classical guitar music has helped but I think I've got dumber as I've gotten older ;D.
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Post by queenofshred on Oct 17, 2005 14:49:12 GMT -5
I love Perlmans, but sometimes it gets a little screechy for my tastes. Technically incredible though. I know what you mean. It's the tone. Ok in legato passages, but otherwise can sound screechy and hurt the ears a little, especially so with the high notes. This is a combination of the instrument he plays and his bowing technique. Perlman's violin sounds very different to mine. I love my violin for the fat sound -- never gets that screechy edge, and playing other people's instruments I've noticed that most of them really suck tone-wise, even the really expensive ones. And I realised I'm very lucky to have found an instrument that can produce the exact sound that I want -- this violin's staying with me for life, no matter what happens or what other instruments I get ;D
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Post by Arsonsquad on Oct 17, 2005 16:02:06 GMT -5
I actually tabbed one of them out for guitar. I think it was the 9th, I can't remember right now. I'll have to look for it when I get home tonight. It might take a while to find, my music isn't too organized right now .
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Post by Paul on Oct 17, 2005 16:02:30 GMT -5
I also have Perlman's version of the 24 caprices. It is truely amazing hearing the speed and accuracy he gets. I'm also currently learning Yngwie's tab of the 5th caprice right now. I can play all of part 1 (but slowly at the moment). It's a great way of learning accuracy on the guitar. I bought the Paganini CD a couple of years ago and after hearing Perlmans playing I also bought his version of Vivaldi's 4 seasons (also by EMI). I had a version of it already but I am really glad I upgraded. I had never really thought I'd notice the difference between professional violin players seeing as I don't play and have'nt listened to classical music for long but I really like his playing at certain parts. queenofshred wrote: This is a combination of the instrument he plays and his bowing technique. Perlman's violin sounds very different to mine By the way queenofshred, in the cover notes on the Vivaldi CD it says Perlman plays the 1714 'Soil' Stradivari.
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Post by AJLeadGuitar on Oct 17, 2005 16:13:26 GMT -5
I wish we could hear Paganini play the caprices.... that would be worth a buy!
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Post by Arsonsquad on Oct 17, 2005 16:19:07 GMT -5
It's funny, I remember seeing Perlman on Sesame Street (or maybe it was the Muppets) when I was a little kid and being amazed. I don't remember exactly when it was but I was probably like 4 or 5 so it had to have been in the mid 1970's. That memory will always stick with me. I have a lot of CD's he has played on and after a while of listening to classical music you do start to notice some differences in the playing and interpretation quality. I used to buy a lot of my classical music from the bargain bin, they were like $2 - $3 bucks compared to $7 - $9 for a normal tape, and I definitely notice the difference now. It takes a while though. I didn't really notice it back then. Plus, half the time it's the first time you really heard the piece so you have nothing to compare it to.
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Post by Arsonsquad on Oct 17, 2005 16:20:06 GMT -5
I wish we could hear Paganini play the caprices.... that would be worth a buy! You've got that right. Maybe he would do those animal noises I've read about too!!!
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Post by queenofshred on Oct 17, 2005 19:24:41 GMT -5
I used to buy a lot of my classical music from the bargain bin, they were like $2 - $3 bucks compared to $7 - $9 for a normal tape, and I definitely notice the difference now. It takes a while though. I didn't really notice it back then. Plus, half the time it's the first time you really heard the piece so you have nothing to compare it to. In the past, usually the first time I heard a piece was when I was playing it (when I was learning from sheet music), so I would compare all recordings I heard after to my own interpretation. I remember when I was learning Smetana's Aus Der Heimat and after playing this for a few months, I got a recording of Takako Nishizaki playing this piece and I really didn't like it at all. It was nothing like how I'd interpreted it -- I just felt that he didn't put 100% of himself into the playing, and all the expression that could have been there was missing. So I've only listened to this twice coz I just can't stand it. (Should have a video of me playing this piece soon, and when I get it, I'll post it -- my sister's making me a copy at the mo.)
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Post by alex on Oct 19, 2005 11:20:30 GMT -5
i played the 9th for my Music A-Level... ;D, was crap though, i had about 10 bars to memorize scattered over the piece that i only learned the night before and i did some improvisations, or repetitions of other bars in its place, so i think that took my marks down
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Post by AJLeadGuitar on Oct 19, 2005 18:03:12 GMT -5
I wish we could hear Paganini play the caprices.... that would be worth a buy! You've got that right. Maybe he would do those animal noises I've read about too!!! Yeah and the playing on 1 string!
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Post by queenofshred on Oct 21, 2005 17:18:09 GMT -5
You've got that right. Maybe he would do those animal noises I've read about too!!! Yeah and the playing on 1 string! lol I did that the other day when I had this really crazy moment playing my violin in the woods and I thought I could play the 5th caprice all on the G string -- the intonation was so terrible! I think I scared off all the dog walkers! But I'll keep at it -- kinda got over the whole "It sounds crap so I won't play it" view that's held me back for so long.
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Post by wowposter on Nov 13, 2008 22:41:20 GMT -5
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