Concerto Suite

[queenofshred]

OK, so I managed to get hold of this album yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

And today was my first opportunity to listen to it, so the first thing I did after putting this cd on is to pick up my violin and play along, as I usually do when I get a new cd.

And I'm listening and playing and I think, "I've heard this before...and that bit...and that bit..." And I already knew about 90% of it! I don't mean like when I'm playing along to a Mozart piece I don't know and I can predict the chord sequence and play something that fits, I mean I knew the melody -- almost all of it, because parts have been repeated in other Yngwie songs

And the concerto suite is great and everything, but this made it "less special".

Now, I've never felt this way about any of Yngwie's music before, and hopefully never will again, but there's this thought in my head now about the concerto suite which is like "what's the point?"



But it's not like everything that I heard on this album was totally predictable. Infact there was a bit that fooled me totally. When the Allegro started, I thought it was going to be a fugue. It just reminded me so much of the baroque fugues that I listen to a lot, but then...no fugue! And earlier, listening to the Fugue movement, it definitely doesn't sound like a typical baroque fugue. Anyone else notice this?

[AJLeadGuitar]

Many people really like this cd/dvd.....

I have only thought it was ok, and I can only listen to a couple of songs before getting bored with it.

If Yngwie does another one I hope its a little more creative.

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[queenofshred]

It's not that I get bored with it, just disappointment that there's not much that I haven't heard in something else. And maybe I was also expecting it to be better. That's the thing -- Yngwie's set such high standards that I expect a lot when I listen to something I haven't heard before.

[Arsonsquad]

I agree with parts of what you both just said. I definitely noticed that I had heard a lot of it before. I just wasn't sure if it was all his music I was hearing. I think I mentioned before that a choir vocalist friend of mine mentioned that some of it sounded like it came right of of a Bach album. Thats why I asked that question about its originality before (I forget at the moment what thread it was in). I definitely noticed some things that were pulled right from his albums too. I really don't see anything at all wrong with him borrowing from his past works. That is part of what I guess he hopes will be his appeal to the classical audience; That it is different from what they have heard before.

I also noticed myself getting bored a few sections into it after I listened to it a few times A.J. I have to be in the right meed to here it now. I'd much rather listen to Beethoven or Albeniz or something if I'm in a classical mood. Now, watching him on the DVD, thats another story! I will probably never get bored of seeing him perform it. Its so amazing .

[Arsonsquad]

queenofshred said:

It's not that I get bored with it, just disappointment that there's not much that I haven't heard in something else. And maybe I was also expecting it to be better. That's the thing -- Yngwie's set such high standards that I expect a lot when I listen to something I haven't heard before.

Well, hopefully he will be able to progress in this vein. He certainly progressed in his songwriting/arranging abilities. It might just depend how much time he wants to devote to it. I remember hearing him say in an interview that right now he is still too much into the rock thing and that he might reserve this style for when he gets older. But since then I heard a rumor that there will be a new classical album soon. So who knows.

[queenofshred]

That thread doesn't exist at the moment

I don't know about the comparison with Bach. I didn't think it sounded very Bach-like at all. It sounded very Yngwie-like to me, but it was like it could have been better.

I haven't seen the DVD, or heard the live version yet, and I'm sure that's a lot better.

[Arsonsquad]

queenofshred said:

That thread doesn't exist at the moment

I don't know about the comparison with Bach. I didn't think it sounded very Bach-like at all. It sounded very Yngwie-like to me, but it was like it could have been better.

I haven't seen the DVD, or heard the live version yet, and I'm sure that's a lot better.

It's absolutely amazing. I ordered it from CD Japan andi It was kind of expensive. I think it ended up being at least $35 American with shipping and everything. If the price bothers you then you probably can get it cheaper with the upcoming release.

[queenofshred]

arsonsquad said:

Well, hopefully he will be able to progress in this vein. He certainly progressed in his songwriting/arranging abilities. It might just depend how much time he wants to devote to it. I remember hearing him say in an interview that right now he is still too much into the rock thing and that he might reserve this style for when he gets older. But since then I heard a rumor that there will be a new classical album soon. So who knows.

I remember him saying that he's already written a lot of another concerto. I'd like to hear it, but I do think at the moment that Yngwie's a lot better at the rock thing than the pure classical.

[queenofshred]

arsonsquad said:

It's absolutely amazing. I ordered it from CD Japan andi It was kind of expensive. I think it ended up being at least $35 American with shipping and everything. If the price bothers you then you probably can get it cheaper with the upcoming release.

The price doesn't bother me -- I pay anything for Yngwie! (It should bother me though, now that I need to make sure that I have money in order to survive.) But it is the reason why I haven't got everything ever released -- I just can't afford to spend any more until I know that I'll have some sort of income to spend

[Arsonsquad]

queenofshred said:

I remember him saying that he's already written a lot of another concerto. I'd like to hear it, but I do think at the moment that Yngwie's a lot better at the rock thing than the pure classical.

I think you're right. But hey, look how much better Beethoven got with writing symphonies! His early ones were good but theres no comparison between 1-4 and 5-9. So we may have something great to look forward to. I've always wondered if Paganini would have progressed in his composing if he had lived another 15 -25 years. It's a shame he had such a small output during his career.

[queenofshred]

Small output? Paganini? No! It's just that most of his works were never written down. And we'll never know them...

[queenofshred]

arsonsquad said:

I just wasn't sure if it was all his music I was hearing. I think I mentioned before that a choir vocalist friend of mine mentioned that some of it sounded like it came right of of a Bach album. Thats why I asked that question about its originality before

I didn't hear the Bach-ness of any of it til this morning, and now I find Fugue reminding me of a Bach keyboard invention (and more specifically Invention No. 4 in D minor -- my favourite of all of them), but this isn't the only time that Yngwie's music has reminded me of this invention -- there's also Baroque and Roll which starts the same, just not 3 beats per bar.

And the Sarabande (only the beginning of it) I find reminding me of a Vivaldi lute concerto.

Actually, today it doesn't bother me at all that Yngwie used all these themes in something else. I'm really enjoying listening to the concerto suite, and I don't know what my problem with it was yesterday.

Strange, isn't it, how we can feel differently about something from one day to the next. Just forget what I said yesterday -- I absolutely love this concerto now! ;D

[fenderbender]

yeah, I was just going to go check the window to see if the seventh seal had opened and hell was swallowing the earth when I read that someone with your skill and talent didnt like the concerto. I personally like the fact that he uses themes from previous works, it kind of leaves his signature all over it. I also just really friggin love hearing him play with only an orchestral accompaniment, no matter what hes playing.

[Playloud33]

I thought it was really cool that he used some parts of his rock songs.
It gave those parts a new identity and feel. I mean just how good is the bit from Vengeance or at the end with the Fire and Ice part. They are soooo much more powerful and dramatic with the orchestra blasting away.

Also, maybe he used them to show that his neoclassical metal compositions can be crossed over into the classical world. And IMO judging by the live DVD performances of his songs esp Brothers and Blitzkreig, they most certainly can.

I was just thinking that it was an amazinly brave to do this orchestra thing, cuz apart from the movies I am not aware of anybody who is writing new concerto suites. You never hear of somebody been hailed as the new Beethoven.

So

Anybody know how Yngwies work was recieved in the 'classical world'?

[AJLeadGuitar]

arsonsquad said:

queenofshred said:

That thread doesn't exist at the moment

I don't know about the comparison with Bach. I didn't think it sounded very Bach-like at all. It sounded very Yngwie-like to me, but it was like it could have been better.

I haven't seen the DVD, or heard the live version yet, and I'm sure that's a lot better.

It's absolutely amazing. I ordered it from CD Japan andi It was kind of expensive. I think it ended up being at least $35 American with shipping and everything. If the price bothers you then you probably can get it cheaper with the upcoming release.

There is a DVD of it that will be released in America too. I think its Nov. 1st.